In the remnants of what was once known as the DC Extended Universe, there are some unexplored possibilities that could still yield some surprising and exciting films that deepen our understanding of the two most unsung members of Justice League: Ezra Miller's Flash and Ray Fisher's Cyborg. Were the DCEU to have progressed on schedule, both would have had their own solo films off and running by now. But alas, history took a different turn, leaving both still dormant and waiting.
Which brings myself, and my colleague Adrienne Jones, to debate which solo movie would be the most exciting follow-up: a solo story for the Scarlet Speedster or a movie made for the melancholy machine. We'll start with Adrienne's case for why Barry Allen should return:
All the way back in late 2014, we heard tell of the beginnings of the DCEU. All of the biggest heroes in DC comics were finally going to be joining forces on the big screen, and among them were The Flash and Cyborg. Along with appearing in what was then two planned Justice League movies, and both having very brief cameos in Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice and Flash quickly appearing in Suicide Squad, Flash was also set to get his own solo film in 2018, with Cyborg on pace for his solo film in 2020.
Fans were excited! I mean, we had never seen The Flash in his own major motion picture before, and the seeds were already planted for the story of that film to be pretty epic. And, aside from appearing in animation a number of times over the years, we'd never seen Cyborg at all, and certainly not in a live-action movie.
As we all know by now, though, The Flash has not been able to get off the ground. While star Ezra Miller has remained committed to seeing the project through, and Warner Bros. is still trying to give fans the Flash movie they want, we are still pretty far away from having our dreams come true. The same can also be said for Cyborg.
There have been so many so very, very, very many hiccups, starts, stops, scripts and, oh yes, directors involved in the potential Flash movie that it's positively maddening. Meanwhile, any plans that were being made for Cyborg have simply dried up. We hear, quite often, about Warner Bros. and its many attempts to right the sinking Flash ship, meaning that it's clearly still a priority. But, aside from star Ray Fisher saying in the past year that he'd still love to have Zack Snyder direct Cyborg and, hell yeah, release that Snyder Cut of Justice League, there's been nothing from Warner Bros. on the movie.
Like I said, it's pretty clear that any real plans for Cyborg have fallen by the wayside. But there's also the little matter of what we've seen so far from the character. Justice League ended up being a terrible place to try and bring more of Victor Stone to life in live-action. Snyder had some pretty cool ideas for what he wanted to do with him there and in his solo movie, but a lot of Stone's backstory ended up on the cutting room floor.
We were left with an intriguing character played by a good actor who made little impact in the finished product. While that sucks out loud for Ray Fisher, Joe Morton who played his father Silas Stone and anyone else who might have been involved in Cyborg, it's just a fact.
At the opposite end of the spectrum, we got Ezra Miller's funny, jittery, fast-talking Flash, who ended up being pretty perfect and had a much larger part to play in Justice League.
I'm not saying that this is right, even. I don't believe anyone really thinks that Flash deserved the screen time and Cyborg didn't except, obviously, those who put together the final cut of the movie. But there's a big difference between being left with a feeling of “I guess I could watch a whole movie with that guy,” and “I can't wait to see what they do with this character for a whole movie!,” and, to me, that's the main thing separating my feelings toward Cyborg and Flash by the end of Justice League.
That, combined with the continued news of plans for The Flash that still have me intrigued about exactly what the hell that movie might be whenever it's finally finished, mean that The Flash needs to go forward. I have no such thoughts about Cyborg, as things stand right now.
The DCEU as we once knew it, all dark, interconnected and frequently less than satisfying, has now been replaced by separate stories that aren't looking to bring our favorite heroes together in any significant way. And the movies have been better for it, as Aquaman and Shazam! showed us.
The fact that Warner Bros. hasn't been able to get The Flash off the ground sooner, along with them not knowing what to do with Superman in the past three films which ranged in quality from “Alright, sure” to “Fuck it, I guess that was a movie”, says that they're still getting their shit together. And, that's fine. But, it also means that Warner Bros. isn't ready for the Cyborg jelly just yet.
Keep working on The Flash. Deliver a great product and some more goodwill, and then take on Cyborg by rebooting his whole story on screen. I'm even down for keeping Ray Fisher in the lead, so long as we give his Victor Stone a fresh start somehow. But not right now.
When it came down to the bottom line of the film that eventually became Justice League, The Flash and Cyborg were probably the two most interesting characters in the film. Part of that mystique came from them being emotional notes in a superhero caper that needed them, with Barry Allen being the jokester and Victor Stone playing a more serious role. Having to choose between the two of them, the vote is very easily cast in the case of the latter.
Despite the earlier whisperings that the DCEU wouldn't have jokes, Ezra Miller's performance as The Flash certainly brought a lot of them to the table. Meanwhile, Ray Fisher's Cyborg was a creation mourning his lack of humanity and remembering what once was. The only problem was, most of “what once was” lay on the cutting room floor once Justice League was released to the public.
Not only is that missing footage a good starting point for a Cyborg standalone film, it's also a good reason as to why both of these characters are the main options we're discussing for such a treatment. Both have a lot missing from their stories due to the editing process that trimmed Justice League into the film we currently know it as.
However, even when limited to those two characters, Cyborg is the one that probably suffered the most, as his character arc is reduced to a greater extent than that of The Flash. We get a cute point A to point B story that was supposed to set up Flashpoint, with Barry going from a loner who doesn't know what brunch is to racing Superman.
With Flashpoint looking as if it's no longer going to be a concern, and The Flash undergoing some severe director's chair turnover, it's probably a good idea to just take a breath and see if Barry's solo adventure needs some reconfiguration. And that leaves a great gap for Cyborg to become the next DC Comics movie hit.
Between the excised footage from Justice League, as well as some writing work that can not only fill in the gaps, but also give Victor a complete story to be told, Cyborg could be off the ground in no time flat. Without all of the drafts and red tape that comes with a project as delayed and passed around as The Flash has been, Cyborg can become a clear, straightforward vision that pulls out all the stops.
Even better, the fantastic work put in by Ray Fisher doesn't have to be wasted, as his acting in the role of Victor Stone, as well as his Cyborg persona, showed a lot of potential. To not fully cash that in is a crime.
Most importantly, when it comes to The Flash and Cyborg's chances for being full-fledged members of the DC cinematic world, one character has been used way more than the other. Barry Allen's Flash was indeed introduced in Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, and was also featured in a cameo during Suicide Squad, before stepping into the team of Justice League's central plot.
All we really got from Victor's story is one appearance in Batman v. Superman, and that was it until the big team-up. Warner Bros has been trying to make The Flash happen for quite a while now. It's time to stop forcing the issue and switch gears to something new and exciting in the service of a woefully underused character.
There you have it: two opposing viewpoints discussed, debated and delivered to your very eyes. That's not where the fun ends though, as we want to know how you, the audience, feel. Would you rather see The Flash or Cyborg headed to a theater near you in the near future? Take our poll below to let us know, and don't forget to show us how and why you voted in the comments at the end of the story.
Justice League production designer Patrick Tatopoulos has shared some more concept art of Ray Fisher's Cyborg. Tatopoulos has worked with Zack Snyder several times over the years and it is believed they will be working together again in the future. Both men have an attraction to the darker elements in their projects and it really looks like Cyborg was going to have a much larger part in the DC ensemble movie and that is was going to be a lot darker from what ended up on the big screen.
Patrick Tatopoulos' Cyborg concept art is something that he shared "just for fun." The Justice League character can be seen in mostly dark red and black with some religious undertones. It's a rather haunting image and it seems like it would fit in perfectly with the artwork of the band Tool. It actually looks similar to one of their album covers for the odds and ends album Salival, which featured artwork by guitarist Adam Jones. Looking at Tatopoulos' artwork along with what Zack Snyder has shown recently, proves the Justice League that ended up on the big screen was far different than originally planned.
Zack Snyder's images of a scene from his cut involving Cyborg were recently put up online and they tie into the emotional story arc for the character. The director has been sharing his original vision for Justice League pretty much ever since it hit theaters, which is going on two years now. DC fans have been calling on Warner Bros. to release the Snyder Cut and have created a full blown movement out of the situation. Snyder has admitted that a cut does indeed exist and keeps teasing what he had planned.
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With Zack Snyder's continued teasing, along with Patrick Tatopoulos piling on too, the Release the Snyder Cut group is only going to get more fired up. They just raised over $20k to pay for representation at San Diego Comic-Con, which saw them using a plane to fly a banner asking Warner Bros. to release the original Justice League. Additionally, the money has been put to good use as they donate it to suicide awareness groups. With that being said, we're going on two years and the studio doesn't seem like they are going to release the Snyder Cut any time soon, if at all.
Patrick Tatopoulos started working with Zack Snyder on 2013's Man of Steel and then worked on all of the DCEU projects with Snyder. The production designer has also worked on Alien vs. Predator, Stargate, Independence Day, and Underworld. While the Snyder Cut of Justice League doesn't look like it's going to happen, it's nice to see Snyder and Tatopoulos still sharing what the original game plan was before Snyder exited the project and handed it over to the studio and Joss Whedon. You can check out the latest look at Cyborg below, thanks to Patrick Tatopoulos' Instagram account.
Zack Snyder continues to tease his cut of Justice League on social media. The director has been giving his fans tiny glimpses of hope that his original version of the movie will someday end up in their hands or at a special screening event. However, it looks like Warner Bros. is intent on leaving the past in the rearview mirror after Joss Whedon's took over the wheel and delivered a box office bomb. Fans and critics agree that the movie was a mess from conflicting visions.
Over the holiday weekend, Zack Snyder shared a black and white image of Cyborg in a cemetery. The character is shown pounding the ground at the "family plot." It is believed Cyborg is at his mother's grave and it doesn't look like he's having the best time. Snyder previously shared an image of Cyborg looking at an hallucination of himself with his father and dead mother. It looks like Vic was going to have a pretty emotional story arc in the original version of the movie.
Zack Snyder famously left Justice League right before the movie was set to go into reshoots to deal with a family tragedy. According to Snyder at the time, Joss Whedon was always going to come on board to help with the reshoots. However, Whedon ended up working on the movie solo and the reshoots ended up taking a lot longer than initially anticipated with a lot of tweaking going on behind-the-scenes and a lot of money being spent. Talks of trouble began to quickly spread as reports started coming in about the troubled production and its new direction without Snyder at the helm.
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What fans saw when Justice League hit the big screen was not very close to what Zack Snyder had in mind at all. While his movies in the DCEU have been criticized, fans have been pretty much demanding that the studio release the Snyder Cut, going as far as to start petitions, stage protests, and raise thousands of dollars for suicide prevention to bring attention to the original cut of the movie. All in all, Snyder's fans have been doing a lot of good in the world while standing up for the director's original vision.
Even if Warner Bros. never ends up releasing the Zack Snyder's version of Justice League, the director can rest easy knowing he has a lot of hardcore fans who have helped to bring awareness to a cause that means a lot to him. The studio is currently shifting its focus away from the shared universe and fans are wondering how it's going to work out. So far, Wonder Woman and Aquaman have proven to be huge hits for the studio, so the studio is definitely not struggling at all. You can check out the latest image from the Snyder Cut below, thanks to the Reel Anarchy Twitter account.
Netflix has released individual trailers for each of the three new “Black Mirror” episodes, and the show has never looked more forward-thinking. This short season returns the British show to its original form of three episodes per season, the release strategy for its initial two seasons on Channel 4. Until now, both Netflix seasons have included six episodes. The cerebral sci-fi series set in a slightly augmented future returns this June, following its wildly successful choose your own adventure movie “Black Mirror: Bandersnatch,” released on Netflix in December of last year.
These new trailers offer a first look at episodes starring Miley Cyrus and Anthony Mackie, two very different actors both taking on what will surely become some of the most memorable roles of their careers. Cyrus appears to play a pop star not unlike herself, except with her intelligence transferred into a cybernetic doll. Topher Grace also plays a featured role in one of the episodes.
“Black Mirror” was created by Charlie Brooker, who wrote all of the new episodes. The series is executive produced by Annabel Jones. “Black Mirror” is considered by many to be one of the smartest and most prescient science fiction series ever, having won over critics and viewers alike. The show has a total of six Emmy Awards between two episodes, the Season 3 episode “San Junipero” and Season 4’s “USS Callister,” with both episodes winning Outstanding Television Movie.
Along with the new trailers, Netflix has released episode titles and descriptions. So if you don’t want to know any details about the upcoming season, read no further. Netflix will release all three episodes on June 5.
“Smithereens” A cab driver with an agenda becomes the centre of attention on a day that rapidly spirals out of control. Cast: Andrew Scott, Damson Idris, Topher Grace
“Rachel, Jack and Ashley, Too” A lonely teenager yearns to connect with her favorite pop star – whose charmed existence isn't quite as rosy it appears... Cast: Miley Cyrus, Angourie Rice, Madison Davenport
“Striking Vipers” Two estranged college friends reunite in later life, triggering a series of events that could alter their lives forever. Cast: Anthony Mackie, Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, Nicole Beharie, Pom Klementieff, Ludi Lin