Agree to disagree. Many people love Marvel movies, especially those held within the MCU. You need only look at the box office receipts for that. They have dominated the cinematic landscape for the past decade. And some of the older guard just ain't having it. After Martin Scorsese made his comments that these movies aren't cinema, quite a few MCU luminaries responded, including Robert Downey Jr. and James Gunn, most politely disagreeing with him.
You won't get any such disagreement from Francis Ford Coppola, who last directed the hardly seen Distant Vision back in 2016, with the obscure fantasy horror comedy Twixt coming before that in 2011. Coppola also believes that these MCU outings are nothing but theme park rides. And it's unlikely that we'll see the master filmmaker ever embarking on one of these endeavors. Speaking to journalists at the French city of Lyon where he's just been awarded the Prix Lumiere for his contribution to cinema, Coppola says this.
"When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he's right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration. I don't know that anyone gets anything out of seeing the same movie over and over again. Martin was kind when he said it's not cinema. He didn't say it's despicable, which I just say it is."
Francis Ford Coppola only selectively works when a project truly interests him. And he has found such a project in Megalopolis, which deals with utopia. The director has been working on the project for over two decades, and may just be riling up Marvel fans to bring some attention to his own current work. He says this about the movie.
"I wanted to make a film about a human expression of what really is heaven on earth. I would say it's the most ambitious film I've worked on -- more than Apocalypse Now. That's the problem. I think it would cost more than Apocalypse Now. It would be the biggest budget I ever had to work with."
Francis Ford Coppola has now joined the exclusive ranks of those who have received the Prix Lumiere. Past recipients include Martin Scorsese, Pedro Almodovar and Milos Forman. We don't know how those other two guys feel about MCU movies. But we may find out soon. Jennifer Aniston is another big name that has come out against Marvel and Disney in recent weeks. She, instead, would like to see a Meg Ryan revival at the local cinema. Doubt that will happen though. These comments from Francis Ford Coppola come from Yahoo! News.
Martin Scorsese’s upcoming Netflix epic The Irishman has been getting rave reviews, but throughout its many promotions over the past month, the film’s press has been dogged by the director’s comments about the movies produced by Disney conglomerate Marvel Studios. In an interview, Scorsese declared Marvel movies were “not cinema” and compared them to theme parks. He later doubled-down on these comments despite various responses from Marvel actors Samuel L. Jackson and Robert Downey Jr., fanboy auteur Kevin Smith, and superhero genre enthusiast Damon Lindelof.
The Marvel fans were also quite vocal about the matter, which exploded in social media circles almost immediately. Even so, the faux outcry has not disquieted Scorsese and his supporters - including fellow iconic director Francis Ford Coppola. When Agence France-Presse caught up with him recently, they asked him about the “controversy” surrounding Scorsese’s comments. Not only did he agree with his fellow director, but Coppola also took it a step further by calling Marvel movies “despicable.”
Per Yahoo! News:
“When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he’s right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration.
“I don’t know that anyone gets anything out of seeing the same movie over and over again,” the 80-year-old filmmaker said.
“Martin was kind when he said it’s not cinema. He didn’t say it’s despicable, which I just say it is.“
With HBO’s Watchmen series - which was created by Lindelof - premiering this weekend, Coppola’s involvement in the ongoing Marvel movies debate is sure to keep these irritating fires lit for a few more days.
Another day, another disgruntled auteur shitting all over the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The latest to join the cinematic fray of esteemed directors who have nothing good to say about the MCU is Francis Ford Coppola, who admittedly supports Martin Scorsese’s recent comments condemning the superhero franchise to death.
“When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he’s right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration…I don’t know that anyone gets anything out of seeing the same movie over and over again,” the 80-year-old filmmaker said, according to Yahoo! News. “Martin was kind when he said it’s not cinema. He didn’t say it’s despicable, which I just say it is.”
Coppola spoke while on hand to receive a lifetime achievement award at the just-concluding Lumière Festival in Lyon, France. As previously reported, “Parasite” director Bong Joon Ho praised Coppola and his 1979 film “Apocalypse Now” as one of the masterpieces that kicked his ass into gear as a director. “You actually represent my highest goal,” Bong said to Coppola.
“The Irishman” director Martin Scorsese dragged the Marvel Cinematic Universe films out to pasture last weekend when he said, “Theaters have become amusement parks,” according to CNET. “That is all fine and good but don't invade everything else in that sense. ... That is fine and good for those who enjoy that type of film and, by the way, knowing what goes into them now, I admire what they do. It's not my kind of thing; it simply is not. It's creating another kind of audience that thinks cinema is that.”
Coppola’s claims further underscore Scorsese’s recent rant wherein the Academy Award-winning director said, “It's not cinema, it's something else,” regarding the MCU movies. “We shouldn't be invaded by it. We need cinemas to step up and show films that are narrative films.”
Scorsese's remarks follow a recent and controversial statement the “Goodfellas” and “Taxi Driver” filmmaker made about what he perceives to be the fatuousness of the MCU. “I don't see them. I tried, you know? But that's not cinema,” Scorsese told Empire. “Honestly, the closest I can think of them, as well made as they are, with actors doing the best they can under the circumstances, is theme parks. It isn't the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being.”
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Martin Scorsese is at it again. While promoting his new film The Irishman, Scorsese made some unflattering comments about Marvel movies and compared them to theme park rides instead of true cinema. A media storm followed, with fans and other celebs either supporting or decrying Scorsese's views.
Now Martin Scorsese has clarified his statement with fresh context, during a press conference for his new film at the BFI London Film Festival.
"What has to be protected is the singular experience of experiencing a picture, ideally with an audience. But there's room for so many others now, and so many other ways. There's going to be crossovers, completely. The value of a film that's like a theme park film. For example, the Marvel-type pictures, where the theaters become amusement parks, that's a different experience. I was saying earlier, it's not cinema, it's something else. Whether you go for that or not."
So that... clears things up, we guess? Although we're still not sure what exactly Scorsese is driving at. He clearly appreciates the experience of watching a movie in the cinema on the big screen with a large audience. Such a setup has traditionally been perfect for huge, special effects extravaganzas, like Star Wars in the past and Marvel movies in present times.
But apparently according to Scorsese, such films turn theaters into amusement parks. Audiences go in with their popcorns and soft drinks expecting to gasp in amazement at some cool special effects, cheer for the hero when he is knocking out the bad guy and boo the villain. Such an experience does resemble a carnival atmosphere of sorts, and it seems that movies that evoke such broad emotions, according to Scorsese, do not qualify as 'true cinema'.
Scorsese's movies, and other indie and foreign fare that he has championed over the years, have been all about making audiences contemplate deeper, darker emotions instead of making them gasp because of clever special effects. It is the binary, good vs evil division of characters in Marvel movies that appear to have earned Scorsese's scorn. His own films are often character studies of intense, morally dubious protagonists who do terrible things or are caught up in terrible circumstances that muddy the definition of morally sound behavior.
Marvel movies have never displayed that kind of ethical complexity. The most complex villains they have, from Loki to Killmonger to Thanos, may earn the audience's sympathy. But at the end of the day, they are very definitely the bad guys who have to be stopped.
It seems nothing will interest Scorsese about the Marvel formula until the MCU starts cranking out movies with more realistic characters. Maybe a broke Spider-Man who decides to earn money by joining Kingpin and then a drug run goes south and Aunt May gets caught in the crossfire. Or the Falcon having to deal with racists who don't accept him as the new Captain America, so he shoots one of them and gets jailed. Dammit, now we really want to see Martin Scorsese direct a Marvel movie according to his sensibilities. It could be the MCU's answer to Joker. This news comes from Irmonline.com.
Martin Scorsese‘s movies are typically long – his latest, The Irishman, clocks in at 209 minutes. But some people like me! wouldn’t mind seeing even longer cuts of Scorsese’s films. Director’s cuts, if you will. But according to the man himself, you’re never going to see a Martin Scorsese director’s cut – at least not in the traditional sense. As Scorsese tells it, every theatrical cut he’s ever released counts as his “director’s cut,” and it’s the same for movies from other directors as well – unless there was some sort of studio interference.
In a new interview with EW, someone took a break from asking Martin Scorsese for his opinion on Marvel movies long enough to ask him about director’s cut. Specifically if we’d ever get a director’s cut of on his films. Scorsese’s reply is that technically speaking, we already have seen a Scorsese director’s cut:
“The director’s cut is the film that’s released — unless it’s been taken away from the director by the financiers and the studio. [The director] has made their decisions based on the process they were going through at the time. There could be money issues, there could be somebody that dies [while making] the picture, the studio changes heads and the next person hates it. Sometimes [a director says], ‘I wish I could go back and put it all back together.’ All these things happen. But I do think once the die is cast, you have to go with it and say, ‘That’s the movie I made under those circumstances.'”
In other words, Scorsese has been lucky enough to not have much interference with his movies, and is thus mostly content with what ended up in the theater. However, Scorsese does go on to add that he’s not against the idea of director’s cuts as a whole, singling out the 1973 film P at Garrett and Billy the Kid:
“We would have loved to see an extended version of a number of films in the past where scenes were cut out. Now [those scenes were] cut out from the director’s cut, not from the rough cut. There’s a big difference. [Sometimes to] capitalize on [a film’s popularity] and exploit it they say, ‘This is the director’s cut.’ You should take a look at Sam Peckinpah’s Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid. I saw the full version a few days before it opened at a meeting and it was two hours and 20 minutes or so. Then MGM released their version and it was 90 minutes. We all said, ‘Oh no, it was a masterpiece,’ and wished it could be saved. The editor saved a copy and what you see now is what we saw in that meeting. That is a director’s cut.”
While I personally would love to see longer cuts of several of Scorsese’s movies, I’m also happy to know that he considers his films as they are now to be “director’s cuts” and not works that were tampered with.
The Irishman opens in select theaters November 1 and on Netflix November 27.